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Jan 10·edited Jan 10Liked by LawyerLisa

Thanks for this. It rang the bells for me.

I think masks are fab for skiing and biking in extremely cold weather, and masks are great for venturing in to clean out a stinky, dusty attic (best use something professional for that), and masks are also dandy for Halloween parties. In a normal public situation, however, like grocery shopping, I go out of my way, a long way, to avoid anyone wearing a mask. I consider mask-wearers either up to no good and/or mentally ill and/ or very gullible, and/or possibly also actively sick with something contagious. I don't give a worm's fart on a nopal pad in a windstorm what they think, I'm not wearing one. I don't need to wear socks on my ears or a tuba in my hairdo, either.

Relatedly:

Stephen Petty, Certified Industrial Hygienist, Testifies Before the New Hampshire State Senate

From a clip of industrial hygienist Stephen Petty testifying before the New Hampshire State Senate Health and Human Services posted on YT. About 15 minutes total.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3dnkbKoj4A&t=61s

The clip is taken from from the over 4 hour long hearing that was lived- streamed on March 30, 2022, in which Stephen Petty appears at 2:17:34 .

You can find that original source here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZb3ND7Q1B8&t=0s

TRANSCRIPT - TWO EXCERPTS

00:18

STEPHEN PETTY: My name is Stephen Petty. I'm a certified industrial hygienist, certified safety professional, professional engineer. I've been working 45 years in the field of health and safety. I spent my entire life trying to protect workers and the public from toxins, I've sampled for anthrax, biotoxins, the whole list. I've been in over 400 cases named with respect to exposure control and exposure and PPE [personal protective equipment]. And most recently I testified in the state of Kentucky, and a result of my testimony the mask mandate was overturned statewide.

So let me introduce the topic of industrial hygiene. Industrial hygiene is not well understood by many. We have a lot of physicians talking about industrial hygiene, it's not their field. Industrial hygiene is the science and art devoted to anticipation, recognition, evaluation, control of environmental factors and stressors that can cause you to be sick, make you feel bad, or even kill you. And I've testified 400 times in those sorts of cases.

The problem is that we have a lot of physicians talking about things like that, and they be perfectly talented folks, but it's not their sandbox. When I'm in trials we have a physician that talks about the disease, and I talk about exposure and exposure control and PPE.

The last physician, that talked earlier, I'm here to show you that every statement he made is false.

1:42

[END OF FIRST EXCERPT]

SECOND EXCERPT

PARTIAL TRANSCRIPTION, CONTINUED

(6:32) The problem is, you cannot seal a mask by definition. A mask that seals is a respirator.

(6:49) In industrial hygiene, we don't look at solutions that do a little bit of good, that might help 1% of the people. We have a requirement that if we're going to provide a solution that helps the public, it better have at least a 90% relative risk reduction.

How would you feel if I walked in and I said to asbestos workers, "Let's put you in a mask, it might save 1% of you from asbestosis, but the other 99% will get it." I think I would lose all my licenses.

And by the way, asbestos fiber on average is 50 times larger than a covid particle and we have very high end respirators, PAPRs, that are used to protect asbestos workers. And I'm certified in protecting asbestos workers.

So, why in the world would you take a 1% solution when you need 90% when we have solutions like ventilation destruction and filtration that do meet that 90% requirement from industrial hygiene?

The other thing you hear about all the time is on page 12, you see the top, let's move on to N-95s. As I just said, we wouldn't even use an N95 for asbestos workers. But here's a study by Shaw et al that shows even for N95 where you glue it onto a board, and that's where most of these mask studies were done, they literally glue the mask onto a mannequin or a board.

Now do you glue your mask on your face? Of course not. So what happens, when it's not, so if it's glued on, they say well it has 43% effectiveness. What if you put a gap on it? Three percent effectiveness. And that's the real world.

So about masks, on page 13. On January 2, 2022 Scott Gottlieb, FDA Commissioner, on Face the Nation spilled the beans, he said basically masks don't work.

I've been putting real engineering controls in real schools for two years. You can imagine, as somebody who spent his whole life defending workers in toxic [?] trials and the public, how infuriating it is to see people propose solutions that cannot and do not work.

He admitted it.

We also had CDC file an admit on January 14 of 2022, well, these masks aren't very effective, so let's move to N95s. I said, no, no, no, no, let's move to engineering controls.

If you follow the CDC guidance, I said, what science changes its position 180 degrees in two years? Masks, no masks, masks, no masks. No science does that.

The other thing I want to point out is, on the bottom of page 15, and I wrote a 27 page letter to the CDC in February complaining about this, as well as to Fauci and the White House. Along with eight other industrial hygiene folks.

They say, well, we want to put children in N95s, and then they link you to the manufacturers' websites, including 3M. What does 3M say about N95s and children?

"NOT DESIGNATED TO BE USED BY CHILDREN."

And now also they say, well, as soon as you go to masks, you have got to start following respiratory protection standards which has all sorts of requirements. You can't just hand somebody an N95 and not incur a lot of liability if you don't ensure that they're fit-tested, that they're medically cleared to wear it, that they've been trained on how to wear it, and they've been trained on how to replace it.

So, on the bottom of page 16, we have industrial hygiene, as I said before, what we call the hierarchy of controls. Everybody agrees with this. The most effective hierarchy is engineering controls. The least effective would be personal protective equipment or PPE. And PPE for respiratory protection is respirators because you can seal respirators.

Now why are respirators on the bottom of the barrel for controlling hazards? Because they don't get worn right. You put somebody in, we know this from decades of doing this, you put a respirator on somebody for eight hours a day, they're going to break that seal. Guarantee it, it's not going to get worn right.

Well the interesting thing is, masks don't even fit in the hierarchy. They're below it. They're not even part of it.

Again, engineering controls is the solution.

Now what about damaged children? There's a lots and lots of data on this.

11:43

[END OF SECOND EXCERPT]

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TRANSCRIBER'S NOTES:

Stephen Petty's podcast is Petty Podcast https://rumble.com/c/PettyPodcasts

He is founder of EES Group, Inc. http://eesgroupinc.us/about/

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Thankyou for adding these great notes. Please comment a lot, such great references! Tuba in my hair.

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Jan 11Liked by LawyerLisa

Well said! Well thought out and presented. You echo some of my sentiments re the ridicule and judgment coming from the “pure bloods” and those who hold themselves in the highest esteem and morally judge those of us who didn’t know the whole thing was a scam from the very start and accuse us of all sorts of personal failings. I’m personally sick of it and there’s many more like me I can assure you who now don’t even bother with these types of commenters on different Substacks because it’s a drain on our energy and we need to focus our energies on waking up others. As you point out not everyone is capable of acceptance of the WHOLE picture as it’s just too much evil to comprehend all at once, or they awaken to a certain aspect of the truth based on their professions, coworkers, maybe their friends, their own personal experiences etc. We are not all alike so why would everyone on the planet think the same ways or perceive things at the exact same time in the exact same way??? That’s not reality, that’s not human beings.

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Jan 11Liked by LawyerLisa

LL, you are so much more compassionate than I am about accepting the people who are finally seeing and accepting the truth. I had people follow me and even yell comments about me being mask less in crowded stores. There were times when I felt as though they would have harmed me physically because I didn’t believe the religion of masks. These people are hardwired differently and almost pathological in their lack of questioning. It reminds me of Germany and the Brown Shirts. Biden’s Brown Shirts? God bless the truckers, and I wish the power of their example would have made more of a difference here. They are heroes!

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I get it. I have post about the Canadian woman in the hospital who was killed it looks like by hospital staff live on camera. She had copd and her mask was too low. You might very well have been picking up on some real vibes of hostility. I had a friend who would smile a gorgeous colgate smile as she went around. When she felt exhausted and that she couldn't maintain the smile that is the only time she masked. It was weird. she said her smile confused or diffused. But that it was a hard thing to do with people who were angry and hostile.

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:( 💔

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Jan 11Liked by LawyerLisa

Such a well written article and so true! Why wasn’t Stacey Abram wearing a mask but the children had to.

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Yes, thanks for this. It's great. Your essay is excellent. On the other hand, each one of those photos is certainly worth a thousand words. For anyone who hasn't lost their moral bearings and their critical thinking skills, they tell it all, IMO. I'm glad we have them as evidence of the madness.

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Yes it strikes me in my heart.

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Jan 11Liked by LawyerLisa

I started a new job at a farm, and I have allergies to many grasses but I was ok, however, I started to wear a mask and a long sleeved shirt when I work with the different hays just so I won’t inhale the stuff. It actually has helped. Like if you mow the yard. But it feels weird to wear one again.

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i read a study some time ago that drinking chamomile tea reduces hay fever symptoms

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